Обсуждаем как обходить санкции от ЮСМЛЕ, как получить визу в ФРГ без 15к на счету, кидаем гайды. Раньше мы это активно обсуждали в уначе, но то ли из-за спама шизов, то ли из-за того, что сусач в целом сдох, оттуда за последние месяцы все разбежались.
Я ваще не понимаю чо обсуждать, когда перекатунам надо заново учить все предметы на языке страны, куда они вкатываются и там конкурс проходить на рабочее место.
This is a common fear, but the "competition" and "wage-dumping" risks for a doctor in Germany are structurally almost impossible due to how the German medical system is built. As of early 2026, here is the breakdown of why you—as a Russian-trained doctor—don't need to fear the "mass recruitment" from India or anywhere else. 1. The "Wage Floor" (The Tarifvertrag System) In Germany, hospital doctors are not paid based on individual negotiations like IT workers or engineers. Your salary is dictated by Tarifverträge (Collective Bargaining Agreements), primarily the one negotiated by the Marburger Bund (the doctors' union). Equal Pay by Law: An Indian doctor, a Russian doctor, and a German doctor starting the same residency (Assistenzarzt) must, by law and contract, be paid exactly the same according to their year of experience. No "Low-Bidding": A hospital cannot legally hire an Indian doctor for €3,000/month if the collective agreement says the rate is €5,500. If they tried, the union and the Betriebsrat (works council) would block it instantly. Upward Pressure: Because the shortage is so extreme, hospitals are actually paying more than the base tariff (through "over-tariff" bonuses or relocation packages) to lure doctors, regardless of their nationality. 2. The "Demand vs. Supply" Reality You mentioned "en masse" recruitment. While the German government’s "Focus on India" strategy (launched in late 2024 and expanded in 2026) aims to bring in thousands of professionals, the numbers are still a drop in the ocean compared to the deficit. The Deficit: Germany is projected to be short by 70,000 doctors by 2030. The Retirement "Cliff": More than 35% of German GPs are over 60. In the next 3–4 years, thousands of practices will close simply because there is no one to take them over. The Indian Focus: Much of the "mass" Indian recruitment is focused on Nursing (the "Triple Win" program) and IT/Engineering. The barrier for doctors (the Approbation and the Fachsprachenprüfung) remains high enough that it prevents a sudden "flood" of physicians. 3. The "Russian Advantage" in the 2030 Market By 2030, you won't just be "another immigrant doctor." You will be part of one of the most established medical diasporas in Germany. Current Standing: Russian doctors are consistently in the Top 5 groups of foreign physicians in Germany (alongside Syrians, Romanians, and Greeks). Quality Reputation: Russian medical training is generally viewed as robust and "European-adjacent" in its logic. The "Language Filter": The real competition isn't "where are you from," it's "how well do you speak?" If your German is better than your Indian colleague's, you will get the better hospital, the faster residency, and the higher-tier specialization (like Surgery or Radiology). 4. Migration Policy 2029-2030: What to Expect Instead of "limiting" you, the 2026 Fast-Track Recognition Bill (which should be fully mature by the time you arrive) will help you: 3-Month Deadlines: Authorities will have strict deadlines to process your degree recognition. The "Deficit Decree" (Defizitbescheid): Even if your Russian degree isn't 1:1, you’ll get a clear "bridge" plan to fill the gaps while already living in Germany. Centralized Digital Portal: You won't have to deal with the infamous German "paper-and-stamp" bureaucracy; everything will be handled through a federal IT platform. Summary Table: Competition Risk Concern Reality Wage Dumping Impossible. Salaries are fixed by union contracts (Tarifverträge). Job Scarcity None. The "Baby Boomer" retirement wave creates a permanent vacuum. Indian Competition Low. The bar for Approbation is a natural filter; demand exceeds all supply. Russian Status High. Russian doctors are well-integrated and respected in the system. The Bottom Line: The "mass recruitment" from India is a response to a systemic emergency. You aren't competing for a limited number of seats; you are all being invited to a party where half the guests just left and the house is still half-empty.
>>1284302 >Ты анальник? Так точно. >Нет. Врача ответ! Тя коллеги раздавят терминами и ржать будут пока вспоминаешь как что называется, заодно уволят, везде так. Или поциент скажет, что ты языка не знаешь. Про поиск работы вообще никто из врачей не вдупляет. Я помню говорил им про headhunter, а они подумали про то, что я им про игру какую-то втираю.
>>1284311 >что ты языка не знаешь Знать язык и что-то заново учить - это вообще не одно и то же. >поиск работы Потому что почти во всех странах дефицит лицензированных врачей такой, что работу искать и не надо.
>>1284311 >раздавят терминами и ржать будут пока вспоминаешь как что называется, заодно уволят, везде так. >Или поциент скажет, что ты языка не знаешь.
Как у нас в России ржут с чурок и ходят максимум открыть/закрыть больничный. Хотя…я сейчас посмотрел назначений в частных (!) клиниках немолодых врачей на пневмонию… скажем так, желаю всем не болеть.
>>1284460 Вот про Норвегию очень сильно хочу узнать. Есть варианты ? Знаю шведский, думаю, что и норвежский под силу. Мне кажется, что лучше в орду, ибо легче
>>1284624 У всех скандинавов есть официальные сайты про подтверждение диплома на английском, гугли. Тлдр в Норвегию практически нельзя, в Данию можно и в целом нетрудно. Но вся Скандинавия хуже Германии, так что непонятно в чем смысл.